Methadone being demonized by local media

0 Methadone being demonized by local mediaThis is a story from a Philadelphia news station about a methadone clinic and the availability of Methadone on the streets. The video shows nothing to prove any drug dealing. Most likely the transactions seen were the buying and selling of Bus tokens, that is why it was done so openly. The mother interviewed in the video is on a warpath against Methadone and will not accept the fact that he died as a result of his addiction. Methadone prevents the spread of aids, Hepatitis C and other diseases. It also saves the lives of thousands of people who are addicted to Heroin, Percocet, oxycontin, vicodin and other opioid drugs. The recent rise in Methadone deaths are NOT as a result of treatment clinics, but because doctors are hesitant to prescribe oxycontin and other short acting opiates due to the media campaign against them. Doctors are now prescribing Methadone it their place and the insurance companies love it because it’s so much cheaper than other pain killers. Police and DEA studies show that almost all of the Methadone available on the streets is in pill form which is never given to patients at clinics, instead they are diverted to the street from pain patients who can’t work and are living in poverty because of their pain and sell off a part of their prescription lured by the large sums of money the drugs command. This video also fails to mention that addicts attending clinics have to go to the clinic to get their dose 365 days a year until they have significant clean time. Even then, they only get 1 take home dose at a time taking as long as 5 years to get 6 take home doses a week. I work at a Methadone clinic in their I.T. department, so I know this first hand.

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25 Responses to “Methadone being demonized by local media”

  • christo930 says:

    I mostly agree …
    I mostly agree with that. Hard drugs like heroin should go through a clinic, but other softer drugs like pot, hash, mushrooms etc should be legally available to adults 21 and older.

  • IDontCare2DoYou says:

    Legalise the drugs, …
    Legalise the drugs, then people can take the one’s they wan’t and we can cut out the criminals.
    Keep the price down and you have little to no crime from people committing them to get the money to pay for it.

  • christo930 says:

    PM me if you want …
    PM me if you want to discuss this further. The 500 character limit really limits the discussion of such a complex issue.

  • christo930 says:

    I defend MMT, I am …
    I defend MMT, I am against the idiots rallying against it. But Methadone is not a very good drug of abuse. For one, it doesn’t have a rapid onset (as you mention), second, it has a very long and unpredictable 1/2 life (form 15-60 hours). My scenerio isn’t highly improbable and many of the methadone ODs came from people taking it, not feeling anything and then taking more (not knowing the very slow onset). Methadone, like all opiates, are very dangerous to use recreationally.

  • TheHallucinati says:

    Also you created a …
    Also you created a highly improbable scenario (one of the fallacies of your reasoning). What if one keeps dosing repeatedly, ignoring warning signs (which are plenty). – Well – then one is simply foolish – (it has little to do with danger of methadone itself).
    When compared that to how fast Fentanyl (present in China white heroin + many others injectable and orally taken opiates) can kill a person with almost no warning – methadone is CLEARLY safER (EVEN if abused)- 1 of reasons it was chosen.

  • TheHallucinati says:

    Am I arguing …
    Am I arguing against your 1st point? Nope, I said is that methadone gives you a FAR longer window to call ambulance – everything after – (how much antagonist to use) is of no practical significance as you are already in competent hands. Your other point is also of no significance – methadone can’t be tampered with IN ORDER TO SPEED UP ITS EFFECT (I clarify for junkies). Facts I mentioned are directly from my university text & illustrate that methadone is safer than MOST opiates EVEN if abused.

  • christo930 says:

    Methadone can also …
    Methadone can also be sniffed, something you said was not possible. Methadone, as dispensed by clinics (always in liquid form and always diluted ) when it is sold (as it often is) leaves the buyer in the dark about how much methadone is actually in the bottle.
    AGAIN, Methadone is safe and effective when taken under the supervision of a competent doctor.

  • christo930 says:

    First, that …
    First, that Methadone can’t be injected, ti can. That it’s long duration of onset leads to overdoses, that it’s long and unpredictable 1/2 life means that in some people, even 24 hours after their last dose, well more than 1/2 of the methadone they took before is in their bloodstream. All opiate antagonists work with methadone, but are usually of much shorter duration than methadone, which means that if you hit someone with Narcan after a Methadone OD, a couple hours later, they still overdose.

  • TheHallucinati says:

    What is simply not …
    What is simply not true? You haven’t even read my comment. Furthermore – you lack the education to know facts about methadone and other pharmaceuticals and because of that you lack the tools to properly assess their danger.
    Furthermore – you haven’t given evidence to argue agaist the points I have made - because THERE IS NONE. What is simply not true? Finish your school go to a university, study logic (Modes of Reasoning), and Pharmacology, get a degree and then come back to argue with me.

  • christo930 says:

    Narcan and naloxone …
    Narcan and naloxone work just as well with Methadone as they do with short acting opiates, although because methadone stays in your system so long, you would probably need to be hospitalized and re-dosed with narcan every 2 hours or so, for at least 24 hours. Methadone can be directly injected, it’s just that it wouldn’t work any faster or better, unlike short acting Opioids such as Heroin or Oxycontin.

  • christo930 says:

    This is simply not …
    This is simply not true. I support methadone and fight against the idiots trying to ban it, but methadone is extremely dangerous because it has such a long lag between dosing and peak blood levels and how long it stays in your system. If you take some methadone Friday night, then take some more Saturday at noon, you still have more than 1/2 the methadone you took Friday night in your blood. Methadone is only safe and effective when taken exactly as directed by a competent doctor.

  • TheHallucinati says:

    Methadone is much …
    Methadone is much safer and harder to overdose on than majority of other illegal and controlled opiates . It has onset time of 2 hrs., reaching it’s maximal effect within 4 hrs. Most other opiates act 4-5 times faster, and may cause immediate overdose if injected, while methadone CANNOT be injected, snorted or otherwise tampered with.
    Furthermore – methadone overdose can be immediately & completely reversed by common opiate antagonist like naloxone with a sufficient warning time to take action.

  • TheFatrix03 says:

    ya i realized that …
    ya i realized that after i posted lol

  • christo930 says:

    I’m sure they …
    I’m sure they would, but this is NBC.

  • TheFatrix03 says:

    Oh u want to get …
    Oh u want to get clean?? Go yourself. That’s what fox news would say if they could.

  • christo930 says:

    Methadonians? …
    Methadonians? Little word play on methadonia? You have to remember that up until very recently (last 5 years) most methadone clinics were filled with people who had decades of drug abuse behind them. So naturally, they are going to be the ones with the most problems.

  • Louie Bee says:

    When I worked at a …
    When I worked at a homeless shelter the most annoying people were the god damned Methadonians

  • Nwest82 says:

    well its really …
    well its really more of a scare tactic than anything. It seems they will usually give you many more than 3 chances, (unless you really the doc off), I know people who were relapsing for at least a year and didn’t get kicked off. The people who do get kicked off can usually come back and get re-treated no problem, or they just go to the other clinic right away.

  • christo930 says:

    I hate 3 strike …
    I hate 3 strike rules. Life isn’t a baseball game and 3 is just an arbitrary number. There are people serving life sentences for shoplifting and other petty crimes due to 3 strike laws and I don’t think ORT works any better with 3 strike rules. Addiction is the only medical problem you can have where failure to get better is punished.

  • Nwest82 says:

    with my doctor if …
    with my doctor if you just tell her up front before she sees the urine screens she will be understanding and work with you…you will lose you take-homes if you test dirty. There is a 3-strike rule but even then she will reduce you humanely. One thing I love about her is Marijuana is fine with her and is not considered a dirty test ;)
    I went down from 120-80 on my own terms, also because it was safer where I am prescribed ativan for my sever panic disorder/social anixity disorder/insomnia.

  • Nwest82 says:

    Here if you work …
    Here if you work and you have Blue cross, up to 80% is covered, however they do serve you if you pay cash. Otherwise as far as paying for the methadone goes its easier on Disability/welfare to make sure you get you dose everyday, (its expensive). Here we get take homes, (max two weeks at a time, before you have to return your empty bottles and drink a dose in front of them, then you get you next set of take-homes. You have to build quite a bit of trust with the doc. but we do get take-homes.

  • christo930 says:

    I don’t think so. …
    I don’t think so. They changed it because there was a severe shortage of suboxone, since only doctors who applied for a waiver and jumped through hoops can prescribe it and nearly all of the doctors only accept cash payment. Suboxone is very effective and so a lot of addicts were selling their extra suboxone to make back the money. For $10 you can be well for 48h The strips have serial # on them which trace back to who it was originally subscribed, that is why they are switching to the strips.

  • MAKER6450 says:

    why do you think …
    why do you think they did that….because people were injecting it thats why. The suboxone failed as a drug that couldnt be injected so they made those strip things.
    They have already done it in australia. They give the strip ones to tjhose that cant be trusted…..those that have been caught injecting it.
    its a very dirty drug to shoot so its a good thing they changed it.

  • christo930 says:

    Well it should make …
    Well it should make you happy to know that most of the people on suboxone are being switched to the strips, which gum up and can’t be shot.

  • MAKER6450 says:

    no im not.
    

    no im not.
    

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